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it would be great to control the debt with the debt ceiling. as you see through history, examples given it doesn't work at all. it becomes a political football, the other party not it in power, decides it's an of important thing. and president obama used to hate the debt ceilings. it's time to build something that controls the deficit properly and not arbitrary. >> brenda: toby, doesn't this basically give a blank check to washington saying we don't need a limit. at least when we have a limit we're forced to look at that number and realize how much we're borrowing. >> if that logic were true, they wouldn't have passed any of the spending stuff. first off, two countries in the world, united states and sweden who have a debt ceiling. people got rid of it, because what jonas is saying, it's political. and the second issue is, i don't want our economy held hostage and run by washington, right now, the buffoons in congress have more power over the economy with the, you know, stupid idea. if we give them this type of power we've hurt ourselves, kick
it would be great to control the debt with the debt ceiling. as you see through history, examples given it doesn't work at all. it becomes a political football, the other party not it in power, decides it's an of important thing. and president obama used to hate the debt ceilings. it's time to build something that controls the deficit properly and not arbitrary. >> brenda: toby, doesn't this basically give a blank check to washington saying we don't need a limit. at least when we have a...
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i just want to come back to the debt ceiling. you said you wouldn't in this on the debt ceiling, and you did. last year you said that you wouldn't extend any of the bush tax cuts for the wealthy, and you did. as you say now that you're not going to negotiates on the debt ceiling this year, why should house republicans take that seriously and say if we get to the one minute to midnight scenario that you're not going to back down? >> well, first of all, juliana, let's take the example of this year and the fiscal cliff. i didn't say that i would not have any conversations at all about extending the bush tax cuts. i just said we wouldn't extend them for the wealthy. we didn't. you can argue that during the campaign i said -- i set the criteria for wealthy at $250,000, and we ended up being at $400,000, but the fact of the matter is millionaires and billionairres are paying significantly more in taxes just as i said. so for, you know, from the start, my concern was making sure that we had a tax code that was fair and it protected the
i just want to come back to the debt ceiling. you said you wouldn't in this on the debt ceiling, and you did. last year you said that you wouldn't extend any of the bush tax cuts for the wealthy, and you did. as you say now that you're not going to negotiates on the debt ceiling this year, why should house republicans take that seriously and say if we get to the one minute to midnight scenario that you're not going to back down? >> well, first of all, juliana, let's take the example of...
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and let's take it to them on the debt ceiling. that is what we'll do on the debt limit. that is where we'll fight the battle. that is where we're take it to obama, that is where we'll make him pay and get the spending cuts. remember that? that is where we're at. we're now at the debt limit. and guess what? this is not the time to fight this battle. we can't win anything on the debt limit. and when we get to march and the continuing resolution -- you know what, what will be said then? this is not the hilda fight, we don't want to be responsible for people not getting their social security checks. we don't want to be blamed for it. >> joining me now are ryan grim, washington bureau chief for "huffington post," ryan, so really, they on the debt ceiling, if all the democrats voted to raise it they would only need 18 republican votes to raise it. is that the kind of thing we're going to see happen? >> i mean, you're either going to see that or a complete and total cave. but i don't think you will see a complete and total one, because you have the tea party still hanging aroun
and let's take it to them on the debt ceiling. that is what we'll do on the debt limit. that is where we'll fight the battle. that is where we're take it to obama, that is where we'll make him pay and get the spending cuts. remember that? that is where we're at. we're now at the debt limit. and guess what? this is not the time to fight this battle. we can't win anything on the debt limit. and when we get to march and the continuing resolution -- you know what, what will be said then? this is...
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susan collins believes the debt ceiling must be raised. we have seen how the debt ceiling can be raised without a battle. the first read today, this is an interesting development that perhaps will expedite this debt ceiling battle. >> we have a lot more twists and turns to come in the battle. one of the best predictors of whether one side will win or lose and how unify and united that side is. we are seeing fizzures among republicans and conservative writers as well as gop interest groups who are saying we shouldn't pick a fight when it comes to the debt ceiling. maybe it's better to pick a fight over shutting the government down rather than risking the default of the government when it comes to raising the debt ceiling. this is a significant development. it shows a lot of people thought we were looking ahead to the debt ceiling and the republicans had a lot more leverage. that can call it into question. >> that are sounds like the president describes. i use the word lurching to the next crisis ahead. it was the fiscal cliff and then it wa
susan collins believes the debt ceiling must be raised. we have seen how the debt ceiling can be raised without a battle. the first read today, this is an interesting development that perhaps will expedite this debt ceiling battle. >> we have a lot more twists and turns to come in the battle. one of the best predictors of whether one side will win or lose and how unify and united that side is. we are seeing fizzures among republicans and conservative writers as well as gop interest groups...
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trimg the deficit should be separate from the debt ceiling. >> raising the debt ceiling does not authorize us to spend more. all it does is a america will pay its bills. we are not a deadbeat nation. >> john boehner said the american people do not support raising the debt ceiling without reducing government spending at the same time. >> listen to this. a medical scare in a buffalo, new york veteran's hospital. many may have been exposed to hiv. the pens are designed to be used by one person, but many of them were used on multiple people. >> surfers, beware. you have to look at this video. it's shocking. >> standing on the shore? >> he has his toes in the water. two sharks were spotted dangerously close to shore in honolulu. this was off of oahu. they are like ten feet offshore. >> i will call him a dingaling if he is in the water. >> he's a hero. >> there is flooding and ice. from the weather center, you said snow is on the way as well? >> that's right. it's coming to you guys. it's coming into a north and west of new york into connecticut as well. that's not today's concern. we have the s
trimg the deficit should be separate from the debt ceiling. >> raising the debt ceiling does not authorize us to spend more. all it does is a america will pay its bills. we are not a deadbeat nation. >> john boehner said the american people do not support raising the debt ceiling without reducing government spending at the same time. >> listen to this. a medical scare in a buffalo, new york veteran's hospital. many may have been exposed to hiv. the pens are designed to be used...
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that the debt ceiling is adjusted to accommodate the budget that we pass. and there is an enormous amount of hypocrisy going on. and i admit on the democratic side on the past, you know, it is like you going out and buying a refrigerator on your credit card and then 20 days later the bill shows up and you see you are over your debt limit, so you tell the freezer company, you're not paying it. the decision when you spend the money or raise taxes -- >> thank you very much for your answer. hope you will come back and join us again sometime. >> thank you. >> second inauguration of president obama takes place on monday, january 21st. that will martin luther king, jr. he will be sworn in on the day before, the 20th, as per the constitution. i will host a special cnbc event. it begins at 11:00 a.m. eastern time. that is, monday, martin luther king, jr. day. >> sue? >> ty, shares of lululemon continue to be under pressure on the back of the latest outlook. what is ahead for the yoga appear el maker? courtney is live in miami. courtney? ♪ ♪ ♪ [ male announcer
that the debt ceiling is adjusted to accommodate the budget that we pass. and there is an enormous amount of hypocrisy going on. and i admit on the democratic side on the past, you know, it is like you going out and buying a refrigerator on your credit card and then 20 days later the bill shows up and you see you are over your debt limit, so you tell the freezer company, you're not paying it. the decision when you spend the money or raise taxes -- >> thank you very much for your answer....
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ceiling or the debt limit. where do we go from here? joining me now live mark murray. mark, obviously, the first thing at least some conservatives brought up with the president is that he has taken a different stance in the past when it came to the debt ceiling. >> well, in 2006, then senator barack obama ended up voting against a raise in the debt ceiling. republicans have seized on that saying that the position that president obama's taking today and also in 2011 is inconsistent with that 2006 vote. there is one very big difference between now and 2006. 2006 there wasn't this kind of big protracted battle over the debt ceiling at all. it wasn't a big issue. i was covering politics for nbc at the time. the debt ceiling increase was seen as a procedure and a very partisan vote then but not something you were reporting on for weeks and months like we have in 2011 then and now on the debt ceiling debate and, of course, what happened in 2011 was a loss to the nation's credit rating. there's big differences between
ceiling or the debt limit. where do we go from here? joining me now live mark murray. mark, obviously, the first thing at least some conservatives brought up with the president is that he has taken a different stance in the past when it came to the debt ceiling. >> well, in 2006, then senator barack obama ended up voting against a raise in the debt ceiling. republicans have seized on that saying that the position that president obama's taking today and also in 2011 is inconsistent with...
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limit now let me just give you a little bit of a refresher on the debt ceilings the debt ceiling has actually been raised eleven times since two thousand and one it usually is raised without very much has it taken a problem but we have seen a lot more pushback with the debt ceiling in recent years ever since president obama took office now this. package that the g.o.p. is promising will raise the federal debt limit for just a temporary period for just about three months but there's a stipulation in the simulation is that they want the senate to come upon a budget agreement and a budget agreement hasn't actually been agreed upon for four years so they want the senate and the house to come together to each propose a budget for the upcoming year and then to come up with a compromise with the final proposal now obviously democrats are really pushing back on this issue saying that first of all that three month extension of the debt ceiling is certainly not enough i mean we've already. seen so much happened in this past year really the debt ceiling was supposed to be we were supposed to go
limit now let me just give you a little bit of a refresher on the debt ceilings the debt ceiling has actually been raised eleven times since two thousand and one it usually is raised without very much has it taken a problem but we have seen a lot more pushback with the debt ceiling in recent years ever since president obama took office now this. package that the g.o.p. is promising will raise the federal debt limit for just a temporary period for just about three months but there's a...
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raising the debt ceiling does not authorize more spending. it simply allows the country to pay for spending that congress has already committed to. these are bills that have already been racked up. and we need to pay them. so while i'm willing to compromise and find common ground over how to reduce our deficits, america cannot afford another debate with this congress about whether or not they should pay the bills they have already racked up. but to even entertain the idea of this happening, of the united states of america not paying its bills is irresponsible. it is absurd. the full faith and credit of the united states of america is not a bargaining chip. and they had better choose quickly because time is running short. >> house republicans continued to threaten to use the debt ceiling as a bargaining chip. house republican conference chairwoman kathy rogers told "political" i think it is possible we would shut down the government to make sure that president obama understands that we're serious. well, i guess that would do it. we always talk
raising the debt ceiling does not authorize more spending. it simply allows the country to pay for spending that congress has already committed to. these are bills that have already been racked up. and we need to pay them. so while i'm willing to compromise and find common ground over how to reduce our deficits, america cannot afford another debate with this congress about whether or not they should pay the bills they have already racked up. but to even entertain the idea of this happening, of...
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negotiate on the debt ceiling, and you did. last year you said that you wouldn't extend any of the bush tax cuts for the wealthy. and you did. so as you say now that you're not going to negotiate on the debt ceiling this year, why should house republicans take that seriously and think that if we get to the one-minute to midnight scenario that you're not going to back down? >> well, first of all, julianna, let's take the example of this year in the fiscal cliff. i didn't say i wouldn't have any conversations about extending the tax cuts. what i said was we wouldn't extend bush tax cuts for the wealthy and we didn't. you could argue during the campaign i set the criteria for wealthy at 250, and we ended up being at 400. but the fact of the matter is, millionaires, billionaires, are paying significa ining signific taxes just like i said. from the start my concern was making sure that we had a tax code that was fair and that protected the middle class. and my biggest priority was making sure that middle class taxes did not go up. t
negotiate on the debt ceiling, and you did. last year you said that you wouldn't extend any of the bush tax cuts for the wealthy. and you did. so as you say now that you're not going to negotiate on the debt ceiling this year, why should house republicans take that seriously and think that if we get to the one-minute to midnight scenario that you're not going to back down? >> well, first of all, julianna, let's take the example of this year in the fiscal cliff. i didn't say i wouldn't...
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on the debt ceiling. not again. and today after months of insisting that the president really did have to negotiate with them on that, republicans in congress gave up. david corn "showdown," the stand off the president faced with republicans. david, thanks for being here. >> good evening, rachel. >> eric cantor says, yeah, we're going to give up, but only for three months. what did you make of that? >> i'm the last guy who wants to cause a spike in the vix, but, you know, there are a couple of things to think about here. i call this plan r for run away. but we know that john boehner often has had trouble with his various plans. plan b most notoriously, getting them approved, accepted and passed by his own house republicans. and cantor made a very declarative statement today. we're going to bring this to a vote, and when you do that, usually you think you have the votes, but immediately there were grumblings that some house republicans will go along with this i'm not sure that democrats will, too. so it remains to be
on the debt ceiling. not again. and today after months of insisting that the president really did have to negotiate with them on that, republicans in congress gave up. david corn "showdown," the stand off the president faced with republicans. david, thanks for being here. >> good evening, rachel. >> eric cantor says, yeah, we're going to give up, but only for three months. what did you make of that? >> i'm the last guy who wants to cause a spike in the vix, but, you...
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they could default on the debt, unless the debt ceiling is raised. republicans want the president to cut spending before they i gree on a deal. but the president at no time seem eager for compromise. listen. >> we have to stop lurking from crisis to crisis to crisis. when there is a clear pass that requires discipline, responsibility and compromise. >> dana: yet, he showed little willingness to do so. >> i'm willing to compromise and find common ground over how to reduce the deficit, america cannot afford another debate with this congress about whether or not they should pay the bills they have racked up. what i will not do is to have that negotiation with gun at the head of the people. >> dana: interesting choice of words to describe that. eric, you talked about not wanting the country to lurch from crisis to crisis. most americans would agree and want washington to fix fundamental problems. why do we have to have the debate every three months? >> eric: sure. start with the debt ceiling and how it came about. prior to world war i, everybody was paid
they could default on the debt, unless the debt ceiling is raised. republicans want the president to cut spending before they i gree on a deal. but the president at no time seem eager for compromise. listen. >> we have to stop lurking from crisis to crisis to crisis. when there is a clear pass that requires discipline, responsibility and compromise. >> dana: yet, he showed little willingness to do so. >> i'm willing to compromise and find common ground over how to reduce the...
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to reduce the debt ceiling, we talked to businesses outside of new york, if we don't raise the debt ceiling, it's a potential, reality for wrecking -- >> that's the wrong time. >> the debt ceiling is the wrong time to do it. >> saying you can't do it with the debt ceiling, can't do it with the fiscal cliff, can't do it shutting down the government. all i'm talking about, the president of the united states has absolutely no is in no position to talk about who's being reckless with the debt. the real default has come from his lack of leadership on deficits and debts. the federal deficit has been over a trillion dollars all four years he's been president of the united states. he's done absolutely nothing to curb the costs of these programs that will, according to democra democrats -- >> hmm. >> bankrupt us. what has harry reid rand democrats done in the senate? absolutely nothing. how many days since they passed a budget? >> 1,357. >> 1,357 days since democrats have passed a budget in the united states senate. >> let's talk about that lack of leadership so many people have criticized the presi
to reduce the debt ceiling, we talked to businesses outside of new york, if we don't raise the debt ceiling, it's a potential, reality for wrecking -- >> that's the wrong time. >> the debt ceiling is the wrong time to do it. >> saying you can't do it with the debt ceiling, can't do it with the fiscal cliff, can't do it shutting down the government. all i'm talking about, the president of the united states has absolutely no is in no position to talk about who's being reckless...
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triple-a-rated give the debt ceiling is not raised. with more of possible economic fallout, moody's chief economist. all right. if they do this, what happens to the economy, the stock market? >> well, i would think that financial markets have had enough warning of a possible downgrade of the u.s. aaa credit rating by an agency other than s&p, and thus perhaps it would not have that damaging impact. the downgrade was not especially g. that being said there will be a negative psychological shock that will temporarily send share prices sharply lower, but provided that policymakers in washington could reassure markets that washington is going to do more to stabilize the budget. maybe that -- gerri: it makes into the pipe. they did it -- did not to say there are going to downgraded if we did not like the debt ceiling prices go away. they also said the current outlook is likely to be resolved even if another debt ceiling crisis is averted. they want to see spending cut. now, do you think that the markets would go to town if there was some bi
triple-a-rated give the debt ceiling is not raised. with more of possible economic fallout, moody's chief economist. all right. if they do this, what happens to the economy, the stock market? >> well, i would think that financial markets have had enough warning of a possible downgrade of the u.s. aaa credit rating by an agency other than s&p, and thus perhaps it would not have that damaging impact. the downgrade was not especially g. that being said there will be a negative...
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i know that they pushed back the debt ceiling for about three months, i believe. i was wondering if there was any chance for congress and the president to foster more bipartisanship during the second term? >> i think that will be a major theme of his speech tomorrow. i think he will be speaking out, once again, across the aisle to call for the reaching of common ground on these major issues, like the debt ceiling, the budget, gun-control, immigration, tax reform, those kinds of things. i think it is true that we have a divided government now. it has been a difficult four years, but president obama is a natural conciliate her -- conciliation person, and he will make that a big theme of his second term. i think you will hear some of that tomorrow. >> this is from this morning's "washington post." you can draw an analogy to two former president, franklin roosevelt and dwight eisenhower, finding parallels to what fdr delivered in his second address in 1937, and what eisenhower faced in 1957. >> the roosevelt second inaugural address is interesting to read because it r
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obama voted against increasing the debt ceiling. i find it weeferd that his allies, are saying that the people who do that are bads. we have an interesting time coming up. in the next few weeks in the united states, we have the debt ceiling will get to the point of default. we have the tennessee continuing resolution under which the government is running, expires march 28. the sequestration which was put off two months. if i were at the level of a dictator here, i would take the debt ceiling and push it off to say, june 30. you can't fight all three at the same time. a., i believe the democrats are as scared of the sequestration as the republicans are. there is nothing you can cut on the debt ceiling you can't cut on the continuing resolution. so i would say, mr. president, we are going to put the debt ceiling off to june 30. let me tell you why. between now and then, we are going on cut $3 trillion, $4 trillion -- whatever it is on the continuing resolution and the sequestration. if you stop us from doing that, you are going to put
obama voted against increasing the debt ceiling. i find it weeferd that his allies, are saying that the people who do that are bads. we have an interesting time coming up. in the next few weeks in the united states, we have the debt ceiling will get to the point of default. we have the tennessee continuing resolution under which the government is running, expires march 28. the sequestration which was put off two months. if i were at the level of a dictator here, i would take the debt ceiling...
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could hit the debt ceiling as soon as mid-february. joining me now, host of "power lunch," tyler matheson. good to see you again. >> hi, tamron. >> we have the threat of our credit rating being downgraded here as wall street keeps an eye just like people at home what's happening in d.c. with the latest battle. >> this is really the biggy. compared with the fiscal cliff which was by all accounts a roughly familiar tax and spending debate, this one has far more import because it will determine whether among other things the united states continues to make good on the obligations it has already undertaken. interest and principal on the debt we have borrowed. our credit rating which was so famously downgraded in the summer of 2011 hangs in the balance here. and of course, people on both sides of the aisle are fighting over whether it is fair game to use the debt ceiling as a piece of political leverage to get the government to stop its spending. on the one hand, people on the right say, well, what else are we going to use? we are engaging
could hit the debt ceiling as soon as mid-february. joining me now, host of "power lunch," tyler matheson. good to see you again. >> hi, tamron. >> we have the threat of our credit rating being downgraded here as wall street keeps an eye just like people at home what's happening in d.c. with the latest battle. >> this is really the biggy. compared with the fiscal cliff which was by all accounts a roughly familiar tax and spending debate, this one has far more import...
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we have raised the debt ceiling 70-plus times. the congress has voted to do it. there was always a sense of we are not going to vote e to rai the other guys debt ceiling but there was always the understa that we would provide the votes in the final ananalysis. the president's party y did that. right now, what you have is a situation where the republican party is reduced to its lowest standing in the history of "the wall streeeet journal" nbc poll. the only thing that is worse is john boehner, 18% favorable. this is not a formidable parker. >> "politico" spoke to some unnamed republican leaders and they said that party leadaders have appeared to shut down the government to make a point. they may need to shut dowjust to get out of the system. we may need to do that for member-management purposes so that they can show their constituents they are fighting. get it out of the system kept? this is not a gastrointestinal system. thiss the government. >> i would offer therapy and not closing the government. the republicans have had a pretty unhappy experience with brinksm
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ceiling and your own history with the debt ceiling and doesn't that suggest we're going into a default because no one is talking to each other how to resolve this? >> no, major, i think if you look at the history, getting votes for the debt ceiling is always difficult. >> jon: president obama a little testy there answering a question from cbs news white house correspondent major garrett, formerly of this network. it was mr. obama's final news conference of his first term. so, what did you think, judy, about the questions that the president received? only seven of them for a news conference. the answers went on very long. >> you might even say stonewalling answers, each answer was roughly the equivalent of about seven and a half minutes. no wonder there's no time for follow-ups. look, the white house press corps, how many times do we have to talk about it. other than major garrett, who was a sight to see there, even jake tapper said, oh, yes, major always asks good questions, when he was on fox we didn't call on him much. that's what this is about. the white house press corps has to be
ceiling and your own history with the debt ceiling and doesn't that suggest we're going into a default because no one is talking to each other how to resolve this? >> no, major, i think if you look at the history, getting votes for the debt ceiling is always difficult. >> jon: president obama a little testy there answering a question from cbs news white house correspondent major garrett, formerly of this network. it was mr. obama's final news conference of his first term. so, what...
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when you talk about raising the debt ceiling. getting a proper deal done there, is there any such thing as a band-aid o is it basically a do or die? >> it was much more complicated because it has hat add lod more debting. you have to remember this is about paying for the bills we've already obligated ourselves to play. >> it's a lost opportunity to fix other things, wouldn't you say? >> well, i don't view it as an opportunity. i view it as an opportunity to avoid catastrophe. the point i make in the article is if we must have this biggar maggetten like battle, let's hold it up over the budget when the continuing resolution expires and have it then when the consequences while not grak are not nearly as dire. >> you know, professor, you point out what i think is the biggest problem in your piece and know note thatted if real receipts only cover 74% of the outlay. in other words we're not paying enough to pay our bills but the 26th fan you mgs mentioned. that ice a problem. >> it's very, very unstatus inl. when i did this calculatio
when you talk about raising the debt ceiling. getting a proper deal done there, is there any such thing as a band-aid o is it basically a do or die? >> it was much more complicated because it has hat add lod more debting. you have to remember this is about paying for the bills we've already obligated ourselves to play. >> it's a lost opportunity to fix other things, wouldn't you say? >> well, i don't view it as an opportunity. i view it as an opportunity to avoid catastrophe....
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president obama warned republicans about taking the debt ceiling hostage. it looks like they heard the message. >> the financial well-being of the american people is not leverage to be used. the full faith and credit of the united states of america is not a bargaining chip. and they better choose quickly because time is rung short. >> republicans made their choice during a gop retreat in williamsburg, virginia. house majority leader eric cantore reportedly has plans for three months. in a statement the white house responding, saying, we are encouraged. there are signs congressional republicans may back off their insistence on holding our economy hostage to extract drastic cuts in medicare, education and programs middle class families depend on. the temporary nature of the increase is somewhat troubling. a white house official told nbc news it's a terrible way to run the country. but the aide gave no indication president obama would veto a temporary extension if this is how congressional republicans want to govern, so be it. they already have an approval rat
president obama warned republicans about taking the debt ceiling hostage. it looks like they heard the message. >> the financial well-being of the american people is not leverage to be used. the full faith and credit of the united states of america is not a bargaining chip. and they better choose quickly because time is rung short. >> republicans made their choice during a gop retreat in williamsburg, virginia. house majority leader eric cantore reportedly has plans for three...
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ceiling after he's already said it's unpatriotic to exceed the debt ceiling in 2007-2008. he's in a very, very tough place. i think the republicans in the house in congress will give him a hard time, won't make it an easy checkbook. they'll ask for something in return, not sure what it's going to be. they'll probably get it, some negotiation, but, again, we already exceed the debt ceiling. $16.4 trillion tim geithner, fudges numbers around, pay the bills until congress signs the increase in debt ceiling. >> a repeat of the fiscal cliff? >> that's what politics is in dc. this is all games, all threats, all the clock is ticking down. makes you worry if the country's going to default. >> eric, here's the thing -- >> at the end of the day, sorry -- >> yeah. at the enof the day, there's a deal. >> yeah, this is like the debt ceiling is a phony argument. it's really about charter renewal. it's a renewal of a charter do continue spending, and what time and again the american people have been misled on the debt ceiling, what we are talking about you can't default. the government c
ceiling after he's already said it's unpatriotic to exceed the debt ceiling in 2007-2008. he's in a very, very tough place. i think the republicans in the house in congress will give him a hard time, won't make it an easy checkbook. they'll ask for something in return, not sure what it's going to be. they'll probably get it, some negotiation, but, again, we already exceed the debt ceiling. $16.4 trillion tim geithner, fudges numbers around, pay the bills until congress signs the increase in...
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ceiling and your own debt ceiling and doesn't it suggest we're going into a default situation because no one is talking to each other about this. >> no, major, i think if you look at the history. getting votes for the debt ceiling is difficult and votes in in town are difficult. i went through this last year. what is different we never saw a situation like we saw last year in which certain groups in congress took such an absolutist position that we came within a few days of defaulting. >> lou dobbs is the host of lou dobbs tonight on the fox business network. lou, welcome back. what an extraordinary exchange we saw the president have on that issue. basically his position was, we're raising the debt ceiling whether congress wants to or not. i'm not negotiating with them on it. i'm not following what speaker boehner said is the boehner rule of for every dollar we increase the debt limit there will be a spending cut and i'm not going to let them put a gun at the heads of american people because in his terms, they refuse to pay the bills that they've agreed to pay and when asked about the
ceiling and your own debt ceiling and doesn't it suggest we're going into a default situation because no one is talking to each other about this. >> no, major, i think if you look at the history. getting votes for the debt ceiling is difficult and votes in in town are difficult. i went through this last year. what is different we never saw a situation like we saw last year in which certain groups in congress took such an absolutist position that we came within a few days of defaulting....
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but they want it separated from debt creating. >> let's talk about this debt ceiling thing, howard. do you think the press objectively can report the way the president tried to sell it, which is if this government can't pay its debts, refuses to pay it because of the debt ceiling, is that la republican decision or is it going to be played conflict in washington, gridlock, both parties to plame? >> well, the president said in the press conference i think people will blame all of washington, but he didn't mean it. and he doesn't believe it. he thinks, and i think rightly thinks, that the political onus will be on the republicans. the president said we aren't a deadbeat nation which is one of many great quotes in that press conference. >> i like that word deadbeat. >> we aren't a deadbeat nation and he said the republicans will turn us into a deadbeat nation if they do what they're threatening -- >> if sib else object to the question. if there's a different answer i'll sep it. did the democrats ever play the game of not paying the bills of the united states government as a tactic. >> t
but they want it separated from debt creating. >> let's talk about this debt ceiling thing, howard. do you think the press objectively can report the way the president tried to sell it, which is if this government can't pay its debts, refuses to pay it because of the debt ceiling, is that la republican decision or is it going to be played conflict in washington, gridlock, both parties to plame? >> well, the president said in the press conference i think people will blame all of...
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this is about doing the debt ceiling about paying the debt. it has nothing to do with the sequester. he didn't talk about them together. he talked about them separately. in fact, that's where the negotiating will happen. he said to congress we'll have to figure out a way not to increase deficit. it will have to come with spending cuts. >> cenk: more austerity, i wouldn't do any more of it. but he also talked about guns. >> he was asked about guns. i think what we'll hear him talk about hear here now but 836 people now since the newtown tragedy has died. that's almost as if we have woken up for 32 days and there was a nu town every single day. >> cenk: every time we update it i get surprised. oh, my god, it's been that many more and it's insanity. i think a great majority of the american people are on to it. it is a majority, 52% of americans are now more supportive of gun control since newtown. we're making progress, of course it depends on what is in it. >> he has the option and he's talking about using the executive order. here is the presid
this is about doing the debt ceiling about paying the debt. it has nothing to do with the sequester. he didn't talk about them together. he talked about them separately. in fact, that's where the negotiating will happen. he said to congress we'll have to figure out a way not to increase deficit. it will have to come with spending cuts. >> cenk: more austerity, i wouldn't do any more of it. but he also talked about guns. >> he was asked about guns. i think what we'll hear him talk...
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he is know chummy with the republicans on the hill after the debt ceiling negotiation. for that reason and other, his looming confirmation hearing could be bumpy. but if confirmed, lew will likely be dealing with the top issue in this second term, how to get the economy moving and addressing the count re's long-term fiscal problems. >> this is a president that is forced to grapple to the tenor of our times with the budget woes, with the economy that can't get over the hump. it's going to consume most of his time, i believe, in the second term. >> what he cannot do, going into this term is go from economic crisis to economic crisis. that's not leadership. what he will have to do is figure out how we address this in a broader policy way. >> health care reform cannot wait, it must not wait and won't wait another year. >> he chose kansas governor kathleen sebelius to get health care legislation done, he largely passed control over to continuing to get -- to congress to get the bill together. it became a messy process, about a 2,000-plus-page bill. >> this notion that this h
he is know chummy with the republicans on the hill after the debt ceiling negotiation. for that reason and other, his looming confirmation hearing could be bumpy. but if confirmed, lew will likely be dealing with the top issue in this second term, how to get the economy moving and addressing the count re's long-term fiscal problems. >> this is a president that is forced to grapple to the tenor of our times with the budget woes, with the economy that can't get over the hump. it's going to...
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senator against the debt ceiling, he talked in essence how irresponsible it was to raise the debt ceiling. what in the world happened between then and now? why does somebody responsible for something raise the debt ceiling that wasn't before? what's the difference? >> i think that the president was terribly irresponsible, to say he's not talking about it because he's above it to blame congress, in part congress creates this problem, but we're going to solve this problem. i got elected to uphold the constitution and leave this country better than how we found we can't keep spending our kids inheritance, can't keep spending their money, we don't have it. >> greta: apparently he has threatened, i think his statement, at least people-- that in the event, congress doesn't authorize to raise that debt ceiling that he will do it unilaterally himself and he thinks he has the authority. do you >> absolutely not. under the 14th amendment of the constitution you can only do this as authorized by law and law is only created through the united states congress. so the president has absolutely no ground
senator against the debt ceiling, he talked in essence how irresponsible it was to raise the debt ceiling. what in the world happened between then and now? why does somebody responsible for something raise the debt ceiling that wasn't before? what's the difference? >> i think that the president was terribly irresponsible, to say he's not talking about it because he's above it to blame congress, in part congress creates this problem, but we're going to solve this problem. i got elected to...
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one would be the debt ceiling. the second is the expiration of the continuing resolution that funds an agreement. if you can't reach an agreement, then you'd have a government shutdown. neither one of these outcomes is good. one though is immediately and totally catastrophic. that's the debt default. if republicans now -- if blackburn's comments maybe are indicative of something, if republicans now are moving away a little bit from the threat of the debt default and are now talking about the shutdown and the continuing resolution in this totally screwed up washington that we have right now with all these perverse incentives, that actually does represent progress if republicans are now only talking about a government shutdown and not a debt default. >> do you agree with that? >> i mean, not really. i know what you're saying but i don't really think we should give a lot of rewards. we citizens, we the political class, or we the media for different strains of this kind of leverage. i think the problem and it was in a
one would be the debt ceiling. the second is the expiration of the continuing resolution that funds an agreement. if you can't reach an agreement, then you'd have a government shutdown. neither one of these outcomes is good. one though is immediately and totally catastrophic. that's the debt default. if republicans now -- if blackburn's comments maybe are indicative of something, if republicans now are moving away a little bit from the threat of the debt default and are now talking about the...
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ceiling. the doesn't believe the law can or should be used to make platinum coins to avoid an increase in the debt limit. >>> on tuesday, vice president joe biden is expected to deliver recommendations from his gun task force to the president. biden was in meetings last week with gun control supporters, gun rights groups, movie industry leaders and video game leaders. all an effort to prevent more mass shooting. here are some examples of what could be on the list of recommendations. you might see universal background checks and closing the gun show loophole and also the white house is believed to favor ban on assault weapons and high capacity magazines. >>> well, we said it before, congress is unpopular. but worst than cockroaches, really? new numbers from public policy polling pitted congress against the worst of the worst. they found that congress was less popular than brusal sprouts. what did congress beat? lindsay lohan and the kardash n kardashians. not saying much. >>> if you're one of t
ceiling. the doesn't believe the law can or should be used to make platinum coins to avoid an increase in the debt limit. >>> on tuesday, vice president joe biden is expected to deliver recommendations from his gun task force to the president. biden was in meetings last week with gun control supporters, gun rights groups, movie industry leaders and video game leaders. all an effort to prevent more mass shooting. here are some examples of what could be on the list of recommendations....
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there is a reason that debt ceiling raised with congress. that is a reason they have to start using the president's language and site we have to have a baland approach. if you want the debt ceiling raised come at some point we're going to have to address spending cuts. this is as good a time as any. i don't think they should go all in, draw a line in the sand and shut the government down because the public doesn't know a heck of a lot about this. they could be the recipient of the blame for this. gerri: use a dollar for dollar doesn't work. >> it will not stop the debt from growing as a percent of gdp because the gap is too large. >> i'm not saying it will balance the budget. we have to start the conversation, this is a good place to start making inroads. that is when republicans really have to draw the line in the sand. gerri: you were saying, which i thought was interesting, somewhat at odds with the conservative pundits that has to be some negotiation, give or take on both sides. >> what i said was any increase in taxes on income that wou
there is a reason that debt ceiling raised with congress. that is a reason they have to start using the president's language and site we have to have a baland approach. if you want the debt ceiling raised come at some point we're going to have to address spending cuts. this is as good a time as any. i don't think they should go all in, draw a line in the sand and shut the government down because the public doesn't know a heck of a lot about this. they could be the recipient of the blame for...
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how are we going to see this ludicrous, childish behavior we saw over the debt ceiling argument, for example, come to an end and people get into a room and getting stuff done. that's the key thing, i think, for his second term. >> jamal alluded to a new strategy at the white house, which is going to be to go around congress and go directly to the american people. the white house believes the reason they got a deal in the 12th hour is because they went to the american people and the american people said by god, get something done. >> are they right? >> look, it did work. boehner has also indicated he's not going to deal with the president one-on-one. they're going to go through the regular order. the senate is going to have to do something, the house is going to have to do something. they're going to meet in conference and send it to the presidency. i think the president's legacy to go big, to get a grand bargain, to have long-term economic growth but also to have a legacy of fiscal sustainability could be his major legacy piece. and i think even though he wants to do guns, even thoug
how are we going to see this ludicrous, childish behavior we saw over the debt ceiling argument, for example, come to an end and people get into a room and getting stuff done. that's the key thing, i think, for his second term. >> jamal alluded to a new strategy at the white house, which is going to be to go around congress and go directly to the american people. the white house believes the reason they got a deal in the 12th hour is because they went to the american people and the...
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the debt ceiling and you did. last year you said you wouldn't extend any of the bush tax cuts for the wealthy and you did. so as you say now that you're not going to negotiate on the debt ceiling, this year, why should house republicans take that seriously and think that if we get to the one minute to midnight scenario that you're not going to back down? >> well, first of all, juliana, take the example of this year and the fiscal cliff. i didn't say that i would not not have any conversations about extending the bush tax cuts, what i said we wouldn't extend bush tax cuts for wealthy and we didn't. we can argue during the campaign that i said, i set the criteria for wealthy at 250, and we ended up being at 400. but the fact of the matter is that millionaires, billionaires, are paying significantly more in taxes, just as i said. so from, you know, from the start my concern was making sure that we had a tax code that was fair and that protected the middle class and my biggest priority was making sure middle class tax
the debt ceiling and you did. last year you said you wouldn't extend any of the bush tax cuts for the wealthy and you did. so as you say now that you're not going to negotiate on the debt ceiling, this year, why should house republicans take that seriously and think that if we get to the one minute to midnight scenario that you're not going to back down? >> well, first of all, juliana, take the example of this year and the fiscal cliff. i didn't say that i would not not have any...
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and if we go forward, just drop this debt ceiling craziness, or vote to increase the debt ceiling and also with the continuing resolution and the sequester, that we do things in a bipartisan way, but not necessarily with a majority of the majority in the house. >> stephanie: uh-huh. here is the president yesterday talking about his appointments. >> obama: i would suggest that everybody wait until they have seen all of my appointments who is in the white house staff and who is in my cabinet before they rush to judgment. >> stephanie: it reminds me congress woman, we talked about this yesterday -- we are really -- at lease you are -- trying to govern in unprecedented times. we have never seen the hostage with the debt limit, and every nominee that the president puts forward they oppose just because the president is for it. >> certainly in the 14 years that i have been here but i think some of those issues like the debt ceiling, this is absolutely new territory. >> stephanie: yeah even the republican party -- we have just not seen a version of it that it was willing to take the united st
and if we go forward, just drop this debt ceiling craziness, or vote to increase the debt ceiling and also with the continuing resolution and the sequester, that we do things in a bipartisan way, but not necessarily with a majority of the majority in the house. >> stephanie: uh-huh. here is the president yesterday talking about his appointments. >> obama: i would suggest that everybody wait until they have seen all of my appointments who is in the white house staff and who is in my...
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regarding the debt ceiling. is that something that republicans are willing to do here, or it must be linked? the two have to go hand in hand? >> reporter: they are insisting, and when i say they, i'm talking about house republicans and the senate republican leader, but they have to go hand in hand. this is something that we heard over and over and over again when we had this debate the last time, back in the summer of 2011. andion that ve ioion you know t suzanne. but the house speaker and his aides are telling us that they really mean it this time. that there has to be a dollar of spending cuts for every dollar that the u.s. agrees to raise the debt limit. and that they would even go for a two or three-month extension as they try to work on a more global discussion of cutting spending. but even if there's an extension, it has to go point by point. the other thing i want to mention, suzanne, which i thought was really interesting, after covering the white house under george bush, that last question about the fac
regarding the debt ceiling. is that something that republicans are willing to do here, or it must be linked? the two have to go hand in hand? >> reporter: they are insisting, and when i say they, i'm talking about house republicans and the senate republican leader, but they have to go hand in hand. this is something that we heard over and over and over again when we had this debate the last time, back in the summer of 2011. andion that ve ioion you know t suzanne. but the house speaker...
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debt ceiling discussion, debt ceiling and the fact that the federal government will run out of money at the end of march. >> all those bring a confluence of an opportunity to drive a debate and drive changes that get us towards long-term prosperity and get us off of this notion that we can just continue to borrow and spend. >> reporter: it is clear most republicans want there to be spending cuts as part of these fiscal matters as they work on long-term extensions or solving these problems long term. jenna. jenna: mike, if we're hearing this, then the white house is probably hearing this as well. any reaction from the white house about potentially this plan from republicans? report or the jenna, --. >> reporter: jenna white house officials are saying if congress doesn't want to raise the debt ceiling they should authority rise president obama to do it himself. they should extend it so it doesn't cause concern for the economy and global markets. >> longstanding tradition for the congress to raise the debt ceiling. this is power they have given themselves, the point is without delay. a
debt ceiling discussion, debt ceiling and the fact that the federal government will run out of money at the end of march. >> all those bring a confluence of an opportunity to drive a debate and drive changes that get us towards long-term prosperity and get us off of this notion that we can just continue to borrow and spend. >> reporter: it is clear most republicans want there to be spending cuts as part of these fiscal matters as they work on long-term extensions or solving these...
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raise the debt ceiling or risk a u.s. downgrade. >> markets are in a holding pattern until the debt ceiling fight is over and the backdrop for the fitch warning is quite different this time around, and pete will explain why in just a moment. just said to you during the break. a heck of a holding pattern if that's what the market is in. plenty of sectors hitting new highs right now. no question about it. this is the year that we springboard up now. not just to climb the wall of worry. get through the debt ceiling debate, continuing resolution. it's going to be bumpy. we'll take full advantage of a market falldown during that period because you've got three main things going for you. housing turning for real, not just an inventory real liquiification and foreclosures. all that have stuff turning for real. it will turn into unemployment back half of the year. a little better transparency on fiscal policy. not necessarily the fix but the transparency. business cap "x" second half of the year and every single central bank in t
raise the debt ceiling or risk a u.s. downgrade. >> markets are in a holding pattern until the debt ceiling fight is over and the backdrop for the fitch warning is quite different this time around, and pete will explain why in just a moment. just said to you during the break. a heck of a holding pattern if that's what the market is in. plenty of sectors hitting new highs right now. no question about it. this is the year that we springboard up now. not just to climb the wall of worry. get...
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the debt ceiling is not there now? >> even if you don't want to listen to the president, like, listen to fitch and moodies and all the rating agencies who say this is not an economic issue. this is a political crisis that the united states is going through right now. and the thing about this, rev, is that this is a policy without a constituency. who backs this? who backs the idea to say basically, we're going to spend and spend and spend. and when the bills come up, we're not going to debate how we're going to spend in the future. if you want to have a larger conversation about spending, then we can have a larger conversation about spending. the moment we confuse them is when we start damaging the long term prospects of where this country can be economically. >> but nia, in fairness, there have been, at least in this area, some prominent republicans that are starting to point out that this is a little too far up here. senator murkowski says if you incur an obligation, you have the responsibility to pay for that. and th
the debt ceiling is not there now? >> even if you don't want to listen to the president, like, listen to fitch and moodies and all the rating agencies who say this is not an economic issue. this is a political crisis that the united states is going through right now. and the thing about this, rev, is that this is a policy without a constituency. who backs this? who backs the idea to say basically, we're going to spend and spend and spend. and when the bills come up, we're not going to...
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debt ceiling, he's going to make his statement that he's not going to use the debt ceiling as a bargaining chip. but we've got to get to sitting down and working out a deal that's going to really address the nation's problems. we've got to do something about guns. he's got to stake out some territory in which the white house won't retreat from. >> chip, how much is this a sell of the american people? >> well, i mean, i think right now as kind of like the governor said, set the tone. >> forgive me for interrupting but the president is out now in the eastern room. let's take a listen. >> good morning. i thought it might make some sense to take some questions this week as my first term comes to an end. it's been a busy and productive four years, and i expect the same for the next four years. i intend to carry out the agenda that i campaigned on, agenda for new jobs, new opportunity, and new security for the middle class. now, right now our economy is growing and our businesses are creating new jobs. so we are poised for a good year if we make smart decisions and sound investments. and as long
debt ceiling, he's going to make his statement that he's not going to use the debt ceiling as a bargaining chip. but we've got to get to sitting down and working out a deal that's going to really address the nation's problems. we've got to do something about guns. he's got to stake out some territory in which the white house won't retreat from. >> chip, how much is this a sell of the american people? >> well, i mean, i think right now as kind of like the governor said, set the tone....